[CASHBY]

well i can tell you that the just with a cat back and tune, it feels even faster than the 335 just with tune.

i did a quick 2nd gear roll at 40mph with another guy that got the procede on saturday.... i pulled about 2-2.5 car lengths with no problem and then let off just before top of 3rd gear..... car is a tourqe monster with the exxhaust!

[SoCal335i]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

My buddy made 320WHP with all the bolt on and hit 13.2 at 103, so they can be fast with the right mods.

I hear what your saying but the car cost like $60k, I think that car your talking about was on 17" rims, gutted interior, and yes all of the boltons. Your talkin like $6-7k in performance mods to get a 13.2, thats not fast enough for the money spent. Now take a B5 S4 and chip it and you have the same or better results. I just dont think the newer S4 / RS4 were made for the dragstrip, great balanced cars but not built for the 1/4 mile. Just what i think from owning one.

[RSFOUR]

Originally Posted by Driver72

His S4 has intake, full exhaust, REVO chip tuned and I'm not sure what else.

Well, I EASILY walked him.
We did 3 runs.
One from a stop...(no brake torque launching) to about 100 mph.
I had him by 5 car lengths.

One from 20-100 mph (2nd gear start)..had him by 4 car lengths.

One from 40-100 mph (3rd gear start) I took him by 2.5+ car lengths.

The PROcede 335i just walks that car.


Now, my buddy Kujo which most of you know and I did a couple runs too.
He has a prototype catless full back exhaust on his car. We both have step sedans.

Now we did the same 10-90 mph run with my PROceded car.... I still pulled about 2.5 car lengths on him.
And that was with me spinning all through 2nd gear. I spun so much that I really didn't start to pull on him until I hit about 40-ish mph and I got traction.
Had my car been cold too, it would of been 3-3.5 car lengths.

(SIGH) Now, people, please... Let's get past the stupid, childish 'BMW is better than Audi' rhetoric. Or even the 'my Audi is better than your BMW' crap. Audi and BMW make some great cars. Your post, relating runs against and Audi and a BMW similar to yours reveal the fact that the "slow", modified (AUTOMATIC!!!) S4 is nearly as formidable as Kujo's *super fast* BMW. You beat an S4 that is handicapped by its auto tranny by just more than the margin as you beat Kujo. So, is the Audi really THAT slow??

Secondly, what do you think would have happened if you had raced a modified MT6 S4 that can launch harder (some 60' in 1.85) and has less driveline loss? Again, the question begs, is the Audi REALLY a slow car when you are not all that much faster? If the S4 is slow then so is Kujo.

Get over yourselves. You have a nice car that is easily made faster. It is easier to make your car faster than our Audis. But they are both great cars that perform well. If your car ran 11's, then I'd say, 'Yea, the BMW is a MUCH faster car.' But this is not the case. When both are fully modded (and the Audi is an MT6) it's a close run, period. Stop the childishness.

[SoCal335i]

Originally Posted by RSFOUR

(SIGH) Now, people, please... Let's get past the stupid, childish 'BMW is better than Audi' rhetoric. Or even the 'my Audi is better than your BMW' crap. Audi and BMW make some great cars. Your post, relating runs against and Audi and a BMW similar to yours reveal the fact that the "slow", modified (AUTOMATIC!!!) S4 is nearly as formidable as Kujo's *super fast* BMW. You beat an S4 that is handicapped by its auto tranny by just more than the margin as you beat Kujo. So, is the Audi really THAT slow??

Secondly, what do you think would have happened if you had raced a modified MT6 S4 that can launch harder (some 60' in 1.85) and has less driveline loss? Again, the question begs, is the Audi REALLY a slow car when you are not all that much faster? If the S4 is slow then so is Kujo.

Get over yourselves. You have a nice car that is easily made faster. It is easier to make your car faster than our Audis. But they are both great cars that perform well. If your car ran 11's, then I'd say, 'Yea, the BMW is a MUCH faster car.' But this is not the case. When both are fully modded (and the Audi is an MT6) it's a close run, period. Stop the childishness.

Hey bro i dont hate, i had a b6 s4 and just totalled it. It was a great car and its just beautiful. Especially on the HRE's i had it on i was getting compliments all day long. But on the performance side its not all that great, mine was a 6MT and like i said before, with all the bolt ons and on 94 or so octane on a chip it made 260whp on the dyno and a 14.0 at Famoso which is like a 14.3-14.4 at palmdale. The only way to make the car any faster is to supercharge it for $15k. So all im saying is if you want a fast car then the newer S4 / RS4 is not a good platform. Still i dont care if its a beamer an audi or a honda, if its a great car ill buy it!! If Honda came out with a 600hp coupe or sedan that looked good i would be in it cause in the end all that matters is

[kujo]

Originally Posted by RSFOUR

(SIGH) Now, people, please... Let's get past the stupid, childish 'BMW is better than Audi' rhetoric. Or even the 'my Audi is better than your BMW' crap. Audi and BMW make some great cars. Your post, relating runs against and Audi and a BMW similar to yours reveal the fact that the "slow", modified (AUTOMATIC!!!) S4 is nearly as formidable as Kujo's *super fast* BMW. You beat an S4 that is handicapped by its auto tranny by just more than the margin as you beat Kujo. So, is the Audi really THAT slow??

Secondly, what do you think would have happened if you had raced a modified MT6 S4 that can launch harder (some 60' in 1.85) and has less driveline loss? Again, the question begs, is the Audi REALLY a slow car when you are not all that much faster? If the S4 is slow then so is Kujo.

Get over yourselves. You have a nice car that is easily made faster. It is easier to make your car faster than our Audis. But they are both great cars that perform well. If your car ran 11's, then I'd say, 'Yea, the BMW is a MUCH faster car.' But this is not the case. When both are fully modded (and the Audi is an MT6) it's a close run, period. Stop the childishness.

Well, I can tell you for a fact that the 335 is much quicker than the S4 with full mods.
I didn't see his runs with David ( a friend of mine), but I had a Tip s4 with exhaust.
I also had a 6mt S4 with Full Milltek, GIAC software, CAI, lightweight forged wheels and Stop Tech BBK.
It was the quickest B6 S4 of all the S4's I knew.

No one is bagging on Audi. He was just comparing the cars.

I have a VBox GPS box, the one all the car mags use.
My 335 with just prototype exhaust runs 4.7 to 60.
My Audi S4 with ALL the goodies never ran that.

We'll do tests with the PROceded 335 and mine this weekend.
0-60 and 1/4 mile runs.

The 335 puts MORE hp/tq to the ground, weighs less and is RWD so more of the power makes it to the ground.

RS4's are running 12.8-13.0 in the 1/4.

A PROceded 335 with full exhaust and LSD will easily run LOW 12's.
When a larger FMIC and CAI is available, there's no reason it can't crack into the high 11's.

I'm not saying that means it's a better car, just a better bang for the buck.

I was #1 on two dealerships list for an RS4.
I was 'Joe Audi' for quite awhile, while dropping ALOT of coin on the brand.

But, with these cars capable of 400 RW FT/LBS TQ and only weighing in at 3,600lbs.
How can anyone think an AWD V8 that weighs 3,900 lbs and only has 317 ft/lbs at the crank, be quicker ? I don't care if it has 19,000 rpms.....
It's just numbers and numbers don't lie......

The RS4 is gorgoues.
I wouldn't compare the int. quality at all. No contest.

But, I can have a car I love.
Have it pull harder than a freight train.
With the only thing holding me back being the 20K in cash in my trunk !

I'm not speaking for the other posters, but Driver72 was NOT bagging on Audi, just making an observation.

And if any Audi guys wanna meet up for a canyon run, the more the merrier.

kj

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I don't know what those mods will actually gain, but they were huge on the B5 S4 and you are totally right this is just the beginning for the 335I, with the procede and those supplemental mods, it's going to flat out fly.

That is what I said about the 335i with those mods "giving a V10 M5 all it could handle" and you said that was not realistic.

I've ridden in the M5 and it's fast, but I think a 335i with full exhaust, PROcede and LSD WILL in fact give an M5 a headache.

I never said it would BEAT it, just give it a run.
Just a PROcede equipped 335i will run high 12's @ 111-112 on a good track at sea level.
The full exhaust will allow at least another 25-30 hp and with the LSD a better launch and less spinning even in 2nd and 3rd gears.

That should put the 335i in the mid 12's @ 114 range.
A serious headache for the M5 owner. And at any elevation above 1500 feet or so they'd be very close. At 3000 feet or higher, I'd put my money on the 335i

[calvino]

whas it a B6 ?

[SoCal335i]

Originally Posted by calvino

whas it a B6 ?

Its a 2003-2005 Audi S4 4.2 liter V8. (B6 Chassis)

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by RSFOUR

(SIGH) Now, people, please... Let's get past the stupid, childish 'BMW is better than Audi' rhetoric. Or even the 'my Audi is better than your BMW' crap. Audi and BMW make some great cars. Your post, relating runs against and Audi and a BMW similar to yours reveal the fact that the "slow", modified (AUTOMATIC!!!) S4 is nearly as formidable as Kujo's *super fast* BMW. You beat an S4 that is handicapped by its auto tranny by just more than the margin as you beat Kujo. So, is the Audi really THAT slow??

Secondly, what do you think would have happened if you had raced a modified MT6 S4 that can launch harder (some 60' in 1.85) and has less driveline loss? Again, the question begs, is the Audi REALLY a slow car when you are not all that much faster? If the S4 is slow then so is Kujo.

Get over yourselves. You have a nice car that is easily made faster. It is easier to make your car faster than our Audis. But they are both great cars that perform well. If your car ran 11's, then I'd say, 'Yea, the BMW is a MUCH faster car.' But this is not the case. When both are fully modded (and the Audi is an MT6) it's a close run, period. Stop the childishness.

Wow, you really got your panties in a twist.
First, Kujo is a great friend of mine, and second David, the guy with the Audi I ran with is a great guy and we were doing friendly comparisons.

You are the one who came onto this board and got all upset.
Rest assured however, if David's Audi was a manual, he still would of lost.
How do I know this?
Well, Kujo had a modified manual S4 too, and I raced it with my lightly modded Subaru Legacy GT (Accessport only) and hung with him to 100 mph.

I respect Audi's but lets face it, the S4 while quick is not that fast.
It's just too heavy and has too much driveline loss.

A stock RS4 is running what low 13's @ 109-110

Well there you go...a PROcede equipped 335i runs those numbers and even better.
So a stock RS4 would certainly get the launch on the PROceded 335i, but then the 335i would begin to reel it in and pass.
From a roll, the RS4 loses any advantage it has and would slowly fall back from the get go.

Look at it this way, the RS4 only has about 40-45 more HP than a PROceded 335i but has 100+ ft lbs of torque LESS than the PROceded 335i and the Audi weighs a couple hundred pounds MORE and has AWD drivetrain loss.
It's not hard to figure out which would win that battle...again especially from a roll.

Nobody here is Audi-hating. It's just a $40-$45K BMW with a $1300 reflash will smoke the $50K+ S4 and even have a slight advantage on the $70K RS4.


Anyway, this is NOT a thread bagging on either car or manufacturer, it was a FRIENDLY comparison run and I posted the results. RSFOUR I don't appreciate you coming onto these boards and starting a flame war and pointing fingers and it's clear what the thread was about (the PROceded 335i and how it transformed the 335i) but you still felt like you needed to come here and turn this thread into a finger pointing manufacturer war.
Sorry you felt you needed to do that, but please just stay away from this thread and these boards if that's your only intent.

Now back on topic guys, sorry about the drift off that RSFOUR did and my need to address it.

[musc]

The RS4 guys are getting nervous! Haha. Seriously though, the RS4 is a great car. Fairly quick, but its really just too heavy. If they could get the RS4 to about 3300 lbs, it would be a serious threat. I really don't think a stock RS4 stands much of a chance against a PROcede 335i.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Driver72

That is what I said about the 335i with those mods "giving a V10 M5 all it could handle" and you said that was not realistic.

I've ridden in the M5 and it's fast, but I think a 335i with full exhaust, PROcede and LSD WILL in fact give an M5 a headache.

I never said it would BEAT it, just give it a run.
Just a PROcede equipped 335i will run high 12's @ 111-112 on a good track at sea level.
The full exhaust will allow at least another 25-30 hp and with the LSD a better launch and less spinning even in 2nd and 3rd gears.

That should put the 335i in the mid 12's @ 114 range.
A serious headache for the M5 owner. And at any elevation above 1500 feet or so they'd be very close. At 3000 feet or higher, I'd put my money on the 335i

I simply said it is just the beginning stages with the 335I and it will be very fast with all those supplemental mods but I didn't say it will be M5 fast, lol. I also said in the 1/4 mile it could be a good run with the new M5 and I think your comments on this are dead on, I said before it is capable of mid 12's with a good launch after seeing shiv's trap speeds, while many said they expected better, lol.

Top end, highway rolls, I don't see the 335I running with it, but I could be wrong. The M5 hits 116 MPH traps and keeps on pulling, it seems the 335I maybe limited up top with those stock turbo's, so I don't think the 335I can run with it top end, if you wanna add elevation, etc. into the picture, anything above 1000' def hurts my M3, than I think you're right the 335I could run with it and even walk it at high elevations.

Do you work at Harmann, and did you use to drive a legacy GT?

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Wow, you really got your panties in a twist.
First, Kujo is a great friend of mine, and second David, the guy with the Audi I ran with is a great guy and we were doing friendly comparisons.

You are the one who came onto this board and got all upset.
Rest assured however, if David's Audi was a manual, he still would of lost.
How do I know this?
Well, Kujo had a modified manual S4 too, and I raced it with my lightly modded Subaru Legacy GT (Accessport only) and hung with him to 100 mph.

I respect Audi's but lets face it, the S4 while quick is not that fast.
It's just too heavy and has too much driveline loss.

A stock RS4 is running what low 13's @ 109-110

Well there you go...a PROcede equipped 335i runs those numbers and even better.
So a stock RS4 would certainly get the launch on the PROceded 335i, but then the 335i would begin to reel it in and pass.
From a roll, the RS4 loses any advantage it has and would slowly fall back from the get go.

Look at it this way, the RS4 only has about 40-45 more HP than a PROceded 335i but has 100+ ft lbs of torque LESS than the PROceded 335i and the Audi weighs a couple hundred pounds MORE and has AWD drivetrain loss.
It's not hard to figure out which would win that battle...again especially from a roll.

Nobody here is Audi-hating. It's just a $40-$45K BMW with a $1300 reflash will smoke the $50K+ S4 and even have a slight advantage on the $70K RS4.


Anyway, this is NOT a thread bagging on either car or manufacturer, it was a FRIENDLY comparison run and I posted the results. RSFOUR I don't appreciate you coming onto these boards and starting a flame war and pointing fingers and it's clear what the thread was about (the PROceded 335i and how it transformed the 335i) but you still felt like you needed to come here and turn this thread into a finger pointing manufacturer war.
Sorry you felt you needed to do that, but please just stay away from this thread and these boards if that's your only intent.

Now back on topic guys, sorry about the drift off that RSFOUR did and my need to address it.

Well said and the procede does make as much or more WHP.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by catm3

The RS4 guys are getting nervous! Haha. Seriously though, the RS4 is a great car. Fairly quick, but its really just too heavy. If they could get the RS4 to about 3300 lbs, it would be a serious threat. I really don't think a stock RS4 stands much of a chance against a PROcede 335i.

We shall see, hoping to arrange that run soon, but I think it's gonna be closer than what we think, based on my runs with Sherwin's (Walked U's) procede 335I.

[musc]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

We shall see, hoping to arrange that run soon, but I think it's gonna be closer than what we think, based on my runs with Sherwin's (Walked U's) procede 335I.

Should be a good race. Just depends on how the race is set up. From a dig, the RS4 should fair well with AWD. From a roll to about 100, the 335i PROcede should have a nice advantage, after that, the RS4 would probably keep up, much like your M3 did. Good gearing plus 8K+ redlines make for great top end machines.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by catm3

Should be a good race. Just depends on how the race is set up. From a dig, the RS4 should fair well with AWD. From a roll to about 100, the 335i PROcede should have a nice advantage, after that, the RS4 would probably keep up, much like your M3 did. Good gearing plus 8K+ redlines make for great top end machines.

Well said I'm going to make sure Sherwin starts at least between 40-60MPH in the rolls, and doesn't keep running every car there without taking a break, lol, his car got heatsoaked in our last runs as he was continually running everybody there.

[Walked U]

Ya I suck at driving im sorry

Hahah ok all BS aside here. I have been a huge audi guy before I got into bmw's.

Ive seen numerous dyno sheets of the v8 s4 and rs4.

One thing i can say about the rs4's dyno sheets are that the power beginning made (wtq) starts around 2300 rpm, and is very flat till about 5.7k then starts to dip down.

As for awhp it seems to be very linear and make power all the way to redline which is 8k.

rs4 dynos around 308-315 awhp and 251-254 wtq. (averaging dyno graphs)

Now that being said. Comparing it to my own dyno graph.

My power band starts from 2300 rpm goes flat all the way until 4.7k and starts to dip down but never goes below 250 wtq @ redline.

As for rwhp, its very linear now due to the tune. I make max rwhp around 5.3k rpms and stays flat all the way to redline.

330 rwhp @ 370 wtq. (I dont have a scanner, Im ghetto)

The dynos from the rs4 and procede 335i look very similar except for the 1k rpm differance. ( 7k redline from 335i & 8k redline from the rs4)
If I had a scanner I could scan my dyno sheet.

But anyways, we shall see what happens when we get some videos on it. Hope I dont lose so you guys dont eat me for dinner.

PS i hate drew

[boggysv]

Driver 72, Walked U, any socal members,


I've got some interest on a audi forum for a friendly run in Socal. Pm me if you guys are interested.


Rgds,

[stressdoc]

A couple of you guys are talking LSD. What is the status of getting a LSD? Drag racing is not my concern. I see little point to getting PROcede until I can get the traction sorted out in the corners. I have a hard time dialing in proper lines when the unweighted wheel is spinning and then grabbing in the transition and then the same problem on the other side. Throw in the bumps and it's an unpredictable mess [overstated -- of course I love the handling, but it could be still better]. I love the M3, but that is not a practical option for me. I guess I should just be happy and wait for the Z2 M, but the 335 has such potential that its a bit frustrating that BMW is not giving us the proper pieces to make it a real challenge [in canyon/backroad/alpine twisty/'ring races] for the likes of the RS4 and Boxster/Cayman Ss.

My two cents worth in regard to matching up with the M5: Close, but no chance on high speed, autobahn-like races. The N54 is limited at top end. I don't think any wise tuner is going to crank up boost at high revs [6k+]. But I think a properly set up 335 wins on a tight course with lots of turns and transitions.

[CASHBY]

Drew I still want to do a run with you as well.... i thought my car would make more power than it did, but it made the most out of any car last weekend...

another freakish beast i guess...however exhaust does help.

also people ...114 trap is not mid 12's. should be more low 12's high 11's unless you are spining tire down the whole track.

I raced an RS4 on the freeway with my big turbo A4 when i was on 91 octane.... i was dead even till about 115 and then he started to pulll...however my A4 on race gas is a lot quicker and that is how i ran the 12.6 in the A4 on race gas.

335 with procede will beat a RS4.....and I am probably the bigest Audi Fan on this forum....I have 2 of them sitting in my driveway... I will be the first to say a procede 335 with beat an RS4...ask drew that is a lot coming from me. ahaahah

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

Drew I still want to do a run with you as well.... i thought my car would make more power than it did, but it made the most out of any car last weekend...

another freakish beast i guess...however exhaust does help.

also people ...114 trap is not mid 12's. should be more low 12's high 11's unless you are spining tire down the whole track.

I raced an RS4 on the freeway with my big turbo A4 when i was on 91 octane.... i was dead even till about 115 and then he started to pulll...however my A4 on race gas is a lot quicker and that is how i ran the 12.6 in the A4 on race gas.

335 with procede will beat a RS4.....and I am probably the bigest Audi Fan on this forum....I have 2 of them sitting in my driveway... I will be the first to say a procede 335 with beat an RS4...ask drew that is a lot coming from me. ahaahah

We're setting it up Brotha!! You def have to go, hit me up when you get a chance.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by boggysv

Driver 72, Walked U, any socal members,


I've got some interest on a audi forum for a friendly run in Socal. Pm me if you guys are interested.


Rgds,

Which Audi's wanna run these guys?

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

We're setting it up Brotha!! You def have to go, hit me up when you get a chance.

fo sho!!!

I didnt read the whole thread with you and Sherwin racing...who won and by how much?

I raced another guys 335 with Procede...he made 371wtq and we did a 2nd gear roll, i had no problem walking away from the car.

freaking thing amazes me!