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      05-27-2011, 02:42 PM   #45
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Traction control can instantly pull ignition timing to lower torque so that the wheels will hook up when slip is detected. (Proceed)

DTC is more about braking to keep the car pointed in a straight line. It does kick on when you over spin the wheels, but it's main purpose to keep the car going in the right direction. (BMW)

What Shiv was saying is that the two different forms of traction control/DTC do not interfere with one another. Meaning that you can leave DTC on and have the Proceeds traction control on at the same time. Theorectically if Shiv's is turned on the BMW DTC may not have to kick in at all, even though it's still active. Make sense?
Thanks, I think I understand what you're saying. My confusion comes from the fact that I thought activating DTC (pressing it once) allows for wheel spin, which is one of the things the Procede's TC is allowing to happen, so I'm not sure how the two would interact. I guess I'll just drive around a bunch with it on and off, and see how it goes.

BMW's description even says to use it on snowy roads or for sporty driving, to allow for wheel spin. I didn't think with it on, BMW reduces wheel spin at all?


Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) allows for sports-style driving dynamics even when DSC is controlling stability and when wheel traction is higher. DTC has two major uses: to regulate traction and to enable sports-style driving while providing active stability control.
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The "allowing for wheelspin" just means that the Procede would pull less timing. If both DTC and TC is turned on, and you have TC set to 30%, then the DTC more than likely won't kick in because the Procede will pull enough timing to keep the wheels from spinning in the first place. However, if you then set TC to 90% or 100%, then the Procede allows more torque to the wheels even if they are "spinning" and DTC will more than likely kick in some as well to keep the car straight.

Yes turning off DTC will allow the wheels to spin, so will turning off TC by leaving it at 100%. If DTC is turned off and TC is at 100%, full wheel spinage. If DTC is off, and TC is at 50%, only some wheel spinage. DTC off and TC at 30% probably not going to spin the wheels at all.

They're two independent TC's that keep the tires from spinning in different ways for different reasons. Ideally in drag race you would want DTC off, and TC low enough <50 range to allow the tires to hook up as much as possible without worrying about having to slowly apply the throttle.

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Thanks, I think I understand what you're saying. My confusion comes from the fact that I thought activating DTC (pressing it once) allows for wheel spin, which is one of the things the Procede's TC is allowing to happen, so I'm not sure how the two would interact. I guess I'll just drive around a bunch with it on and off, and see how it goes.

BMW's description even says to use it on snowy roads or for sporty driving, to allow for wheel spin. I didn't think with it on, BMW reduces wheel spin at all?


Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) allows for sports-style driving dynamics even when DSC is controlling stability and when wheel traction is higher. DTC has two major uses: to regulate traction and to enable sports-style driving while providing active stability control.
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So...I hear all this talk about people running the 5-25 maps. Where did they get them from? Email? Because it's not on there site, yet.
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The "allowing for wheelspin" just means that the Procede would pull less timing. If both DTC and TC is turned on, and you have TC set to 30%, then the DTC more than likely won't kick in because the Procede will pull enough timing to keep the wheels from spinning in the first place. However, if you then set TC to 90% or 100%, then the Procede allows more torque to the wheels even if they are "spinning" and DTC will more than likely kick in some as well to keep the car straight.

Yes turning off DTC will allow the wheels to spin, so will turning off TC by leaving it at 100%. If DTC is turned off and TC is at 100%, full wheel spinage. If DTC is off, and TC is at 50%, only some wheel spinage. DTC off and TC at 30% probably not going to spin the wheels at all.

They're two independent TC's that keep the tires from spinning in different ways for different reasons. Ideally in drag race you would want DTC off, and TC low enough <50 range to allow the tires to hook up as much as possible without worrying about having to slowly apply the throttle.

Hope that helps.
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So...I hear all this talk about people running the 5-25 maps. Where did they get them from? Email? Because it's not on there site, yet.
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Hey guys-- We have only released the 5-25 maps to a couple people. That's it. We will release them to a few more tonight. And then it will go public soon after. We just want to catch any potential issues before it goes public.
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since these are going to be non-Beta, shouldn't autotuning be active? or are your guys giving up on autotuning for some reason?
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since these are going to be non-Beta, shouldn't autotuning be active? or are your guys giving up on autotuning for some reason?
They have not given up on autotuning. They are in the process of rewriting the autotune code to work with DIC. We just need to remain patient and wait for it to be released.
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They have not given up on autotuning. They are in the process of rewriting the autotune code to work with DIC. We just need to remain patient and wait for it to be released.
what he said
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The "allowing for wheelspin" just means that the Procede would pull less timing. If both DTC and TC is turned on, and you have TC set to 30%, then the DTC more than likely won't kick in because the Procede will pull enough timing to keep the wheels from spinning in the first place. However, if you then set TC to 90% or 100%, then the Procede allows more torque to the wheels even if they are "spinning" and DTC will more than likely kick in some as well to keep the car straight.

Yes turning off DTC will allow the wheels to spin, so will turning off TC by leaving it at 100%. If DTC is turned off and TC is at 100%, full wheel spinage. If DTC is off, and TC is at 50%, only some wheel spinage. DTC off and TC at 30% probably not going to spin the wheels at all.

They're two independent TC's that keep the tires from spinning in different ways for different reasons. Ideally in drag race you would want DTC off, and TC low enough <50 range to allow the tires to hook up as much as possible without worrying about having to slowly apply the throttle.

Hope that helps.
Thanks, it does. I'm sure when I play with it too, it'll make more sense.

So are you planning on leaving all BMW nannies on when not tracking the car let's say, and leave the Procede TC at 50%, or you'll usually press the DTC button once, and leave the TC at 50%?
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Hoping this gets posted before the weekend, so that I can test TC at the track on Saturday
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Can someone please tell me what DIC means.
Second question, I know with my buddies JB4 he was advised not to run auto tune because at our elevation * much higher above sea level * the tune will over compensate and he won't be running as much true power as can safely be done.. He goes map 2.

Would Procede be the same way? If so, are there pre-set maps for FBO vehicles to forgo maximum power?
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I usually do, mostly in case my wife decides to drive the car.

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Thanks, it does. I'm sure when I play with it too, it'll make more sense.

So are you planning on leaving all BMW nannies on when not tracking the car let's say, and leave the Procede TC at 50%, or you'll usually press the DTC button once, and leave the TC at 50%?
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Dynamic Ignition Control = automatically adjusts timing to make more power

The procede can compensate for altitude, which is why it has the barometric setting.

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Can someone please tell me what DIC means.
Second question, I know with my buddies JB4 he was advised not to run auto tune because at our elevation * much higher above sea level * the tune will over compensate and he won't be running as much true power as can safely be done.. He goes map 2.

Would Procede be the same way? If so, are there pre-set maps for FBO vehicles to forgo maximum power?
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Shiv,

I sent you an email regarding the 5-10 maps. I threw the underboost code and a bunch of others. Can you reply with the 5-25 maps, I can let you know if it fixes my issue. Thanks.
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So I could buy V5 and run a near perfect tune with my FBO? What kind of power can I see from
- AMS FMIC
CL Downpipes
Full straight pipe exhaust
Charge pipe / BOV
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I may buy V5 and say the hell with COBB... waiting for stage 2..
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So I could buy V5 and run a near perfect tune with my FBO? What kind of power can I see from
- AMS FMIC
CL Downpipes
Full straight pipe exhaust
Charge pipe / BOV
AFI DCI

I may buy V5 and say the hell with COBB... waiting for stage 2..
I'm guessing just over 400hp at the wheels...
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      05-30-2011, 09:17 PM   #63
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I'm just weary about installing it and removing it everytime I take my car in.
I am not vehicle fixing savvy what soever..
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I'm just weary about installing it and removing it everytime I take my car in.
I am not vehicle fixing savvy what soever..
I don't think this qualifies as "working on the car" Just plugging in some wires.

You have a lot of mods for someone not too savvy - I think you underestimate yourself
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Thats true.
Decisions decisions lol
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Sorry about being unclear. I have a Wavetrac 3.46 gearing LSD. I was wondering if there was a recommend setting to take advantage of the LSD and less dependency on PROceed's traction control.
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The 6AT comes with a 3.46 so that shouldn't be necessary
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