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M CEO Frank van Meel hints of a next generation M2 EV ?
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01-14-2023, 08:22 PM | #67 |
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This has been disproven time and time again. Road and Track even recently did an article on it - it takes about 10-15k miles before an EV offsets an ICE vehicles never ending emissions (w/avg mpg mid-size vehicle).
However, if you buy a collector car and garage it, it's cleaner. Otherwise, you're just burying your head in the sand. |
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Volvo Says Manufacturing An Electric Car Generates 70 Percent More Emissions Than Its ICE Equivalent However, over the course of 124,000 miles, the EV will have a 15–50 percent lower carbon footprint than the petrol car. https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/vo...ol-equivalent/
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Had there not been so much Climate Change denialism in the US and other developed nations, we might have advanced other alternatives by now. Perhaps even significant carbon scrubbing and sequestration.
We have to bend the emissions curve to avoid some serious consequences. So we're putting a lot into an agreeably imperfect solution. |
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You captured the way the denialists think quite well 🙂
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You will never win that battle Galileo discovered that the hard way
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This looks promising. Hopefully joint efforts between 2 giants of Toyota+BMW can make this work, but so far not being able to park indoors is definitely a major roadblock. |
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Change is hard. Yep, the science shows an EV car with the materials mining and production has more environmental cost than an ICE car. What many of you seem to forget is the cost of drilling/transporting/producing oil has an environmental cost too, not to mention geo-political like mining. But it is the ICE vehicle fuel consumption that is by far the most polluting. I read the Argonne Nat'l lab technical documents (which is behind all the news buzz). They have been working on vehicle energy analysis for more than 20 years, and they know their stuff better than anyone else. Bottom line, about 10-20k miles the EV wins.
I care about the environment, for me and my kids, but I'm not a greenie tree hugger. I'm a car nut like you. Drooled over German cars since I was a kid. I love the sound of an inline-6. Remember the Rush song Red Barchetta? I think that song could be prophetic some day. But I also realize EVs or some other technology is the way of the future. The electric motor energy conversion is hard to beat, plus simper mechanically. I'm concerned how all these big EV SUVs and Trucks with their massive battery packs are going to work with our immature charging infrastructure. But that is where the big demand and $$ is. So let's let the early adopters have at it. The world needs beta testers. I have an order for an ICE M car and hope to enjoy it for a long time. But some day in the not too distant future I think the EV kinks will be worked out, and I'll have no problem buying an EV family hauler that we can easily take for road trips or whatever. I also think BMW (and Porshce, etc.) will figure out how to make insanely capable EV sports cars. So my advice would be to enjoy what you have now. Don't cling too hard to the past. It's all gonna be ok. |
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I don't think too many would complain if the 1.5L hybrid from the i8 was further developed for a small M-car either, but it seems EVs will be the future. |
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I will personally never own an electric car of any variety, M or not.
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