[cn555ic]

There are just jealous of him....He is making money and i for one have his product and happy with it so far...I kind of like digging into my car...its a hobby for me...But those of you who are less tech savvy as well as no knowledge of the car other than putting gas in the car, this tune is obviously not for you...Different tunes for different folks...Guys c'mon this thread is kind of getting no where...Whatever tune you choose is great and more power to you, isn't that the ultimate goal here...Power...Each tune is different in power, price and performance...Each tune is making alot of money from us!!! So stop being ignorant because i wish i was in the market for the tuning of these motors...I would be rich rich rich!!!

[x26]

Originally Posted by OverDrive

what do u guys mean by reflash? is it simply reflashing an older version of dinan, or u mean reflashing the stock ECU with Dinan properties?

Yes Dinan Flashes the ECU with their added changes with BMW'S blassing and NO loss of warranty!
It may not be as crazy fast as some mods, but it won't make your car malfunction.(CEL's, Limp Mode, etc)

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by x26

What's even more hilarious is "Anyone being stupid enough to Believe it"...

Shiv's operation reminds me of "The Pied Piper" with all his hypnotically, drugged fanboys Chanting:
Shiv, Shiv, Shiv...As they follow him into the Sea...He with a "Bag of $$ And Them with Red Faces...
You COULD NOT make this shit up!!

Dude, why then in hell you just dont get the dinan flash and dyno it in the same dyno as Shiv did and prove him wrong? I dont think he made this up just to sell few more procedes over dinan. When i decided to go for a product, no a damn thing changed my mind about it.

[OverDrive]

Originally Posted by x26

Yes Dinan Flashes the ECU with their added changes with BMW'S blassing and NO loss of warranty!
It may not be as crazy fast as some mods, but it won't make your car malfunction.(CEL's, Limp Mode, etc)

thats good,
i would love to buy the PROcede and get more power, but i just can't afford to risk losing my warranty because, hey, maintaining a BMW isn't cheap. I rather pay the extra ~ $650 and get similar performance to PROcede v2 and not lose my warranty

[OpenFlash]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104260

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by x26

You forgot to mention:

Proceed=
Loss of Warrantty
Limited R&D
Lack of Nationwide Brick & Mortar Support
No Deep Pockets to Get Damages paid

Dinan=
Multi-million $$ co(in case anything goes wrong)
Support From your BMW/Dinan Dealer/ one in the same for most...
Does NOT void your Warranty


Proceed sounds like a real poor deal if your an educated consumer...
So you "Save " $750.00 but lose your BMW warranty($48,000.00 car)
Sorry but if that's a good deal to you, I really feel sorry for you.

Dude, if taking out the procede and losing your warranty make you loose your sleep at night, then go for Dinan. Dinan is just new to the game in the 335 arenas, whereas procede, xede and others have been there for a while. Is not just about the Warranty, is about to what they offer. For the average Joe, Dinan will suffice.

Even though i dont race at all, i rather have the procede v2 power than Dinan's. Each consumer with their solution, Dinan is not for many of us.

[orientblue3]

Originally Posted by remydlc

Dude, if taking out the procede and losing your warranty make you loose your sleep at night, then go for Dinan. Dinan is just new to the game in the 335 arenas, whereas procede, xede and others have been there for a while. Is not just about the Warranty, is about to what they offer. For the average Joe, Dinan will suffice.

Even though i dont race at all, i rather have the procede v2 power than Dinan's. Each consumer with their solution, Dinan is not for many of us.

Dinan new to the 335 arena? I'm pretty sure they did more R&D on their flash than Procede, JB, Xede, etc. have done combined. They have to since they are backing the flash with a warranty and none of those other manufacturers even think about that.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

Dinan new to the 335 arena? I'm pretty sure they did more R&D on their flash than Procede, JB, Xede, etc. have done combined.

Prove it.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

Dinan new to the 335 arena? I'm pretty sure they did more R&D on their flash than Procede, JB, Xede, etc. have done combined. They have to since they are backing the flash with a warranty and none of those other manufacturers even think about that.

Well, they were not around when MOST of us were shopping. they took that long just to figure that 13.2 lb of boost was fine for this car? WOW, some figured that out long time ago. Yes there may be limps, hell yeah most of us havent have one.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

Dinan new to the 335 arena? I'm pretty sure they did more R&D on their flash than Procede, JB, Xede, etc. have done combined. They have to since they are backing the flash with a warranty and none of those other manufacturers even think about that.

I'm pretty sure the haven't? Then again, they didn't need to. We're already demonstrated what this motor is capable of during the past year or so. Not just in our own shop car. But in a thousand or so customer cars in 4 different continents. That's a pretty useful statistic, no?

-shiv

[bmwzimmer]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I'm pretty sure the haven't? Then again, they didn't need to. We're already demonstrated what this motor is capable of during the past year or so. Not just in our own shop car. But in a thousand or so customer cars in 4 different continents. That's a pretty useful statistic, no?

-shiv

I thought Dinnan just got their 335 this Summer? Thats a whole lot of R&D!!

[stillclaimndp]

It's really a hoot seeing all the Dinan-boppers / Vishnu-haters launch their enslaught of posts which seem to demonstrate little or no fact or understanding regarding the material therein... It's a same day dyno guys, if you want to make a point, do your own and get back to the forum, in the meantime, shhhh

[bmwmike]

My guess is that Dinan probably either licensed or bought the knowledge of the chip tune. ...which might explain why they charge so much. I really doubt they have a very high profit margin and are going to be rolling in dough. It would just make more financial sense to get the "key" for the code than waste time trying to break the code.

I heard about 10 months ago that the owner of Hamann was the first to break the code back in 2006, and he didn't do it himself.

[orientblue3]

Quote from Dinan's site:

"In fact, over 2000 engine management functions have been recalibrated, offering substantial increases in power output while maintaining the civility and reliability expected of a Dinan performance product."

Slightly more complicated than just raising boost. Don't forget the additional cooling capabilities added.

Your on crack if you think Dinan just said hmm lets choose 13.2 PSI and call it a day. They have to warranty these cars. There is a reason they didn't do 14,15,16 PSI of boost. If it was safe they would have done it and blown all the other piggyback vendors out of the market. No offense but Shiv, Terry, AA, etc. don't care about that aspect or else they'd offer that with their product. The fact of the matter is no one has put enough miles on these cars with these piggybacks running 14+ PSI of boost to know if its safe. That's just not a risk I'm willing to take since I'm buying my car and don't have the option of turning it in at 36k ragged out. Is the extra 20-30 hp/tq worth a blown 15k motor down the road? Depends on how deep your pockets are. Not worth it to me but then again, I guess you assumed that risk when you bought your chip/piggyback, whatever. Do you honestly think these piggyback manufacturers will be around once ECU flashes come out? Unless they can adapt to the market (look at Terry with his Dinan add-on he's working on) they will have gotten their money and rode off into the sunest in their Lambo and off to another car where they can do the same thing (See Evo, WRX, etc). The early mover advantage is great business model for some, but not something I'm looking for when trusting my $51k car to it.

Shiv, not so sure they used e90post as proof of what is possible for this motor. I would hope a multi-million dollar company would use better sources (i.e. they would be idiots if they didn't get their research either through their own testing or directly from BMW). But if you have proof, by all means please post it. Dinan spam posts don't count either, lol. If your so sold on what boost this motor can hold without reliability issues, then offer a warranty. Still waiting for a response on your shipping prices as well.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

Shiv, not so sure they used e90post as proof of what is possible for this motor. I would hope a multi-million dollar company would use better sources (i.e. they would be idiots if they didn't get their research either through their own testing or directly from BMW). But if you have proof, by all means please post it. Dinan spam posts don't count either, lol. If your so sold on what boost this motor can hold without reliability issues, then offer a warranty. Still waiting for a response on your shipping prices as well.

Since you are the one saying they did the research the burden of proof is on you, but don't let that stop you by all means keep speculating..

Other than quoting some marketing babble I didn't see anything in your post that proved otherwise.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by vase330

Hey Orb, I talked to my dealership, they said they reflashed a car there and two techs took a drive and think it was really impressive. The question then is how does it stack up to other tunes drivingwise. The numbers don't say a whole lot. 2)lbs here or there, I suppose you only feel that if you really get on it. If you do get on it, the car even in stock form will fly. How much difference did you feel from stock?

If I were to show a caveman a Zippo lighter, they would build me a primitiv temple and made cave drawings of me. All these tunes give a great kick in the pants so a techy's impression is just opinion.

Originally Posted by OverDrive

why don't u have the cooler? is ur car w/o the sports pack or is it auto?

Nope. I didn't want to pay $2300 for stupid 18" wheels with mediocre tires and sports seats. Apparently BMW is hiding the cost of the oil coolers in the ZSP packages.... I am really not bothered in any case....if I find a tune for my 335xi great....else, I will hit the start button on my M6.

Originally Posted by Orb

If it make any differance. v2 @ 94% only pulled more torque once out of 3 runs over the Dinan on the same dyno with the same gas. I did not post because it wasn't the best one.

Orb

These threads are mildly amusing.....people treat dynocharts as definitive science. They are just guidelines.....

LINE UP THE CARS....this is the ONLY thing that matters!

[Orb]

Originally Posted by T Bone

If I were to show a caveman a Zippo lighter, they would build me a primitiv temple and made cave drawings of me. All these tunes give a great kick in the pants so a techy's impression is just opinion.




Nope. I didn't want to pay $2300 for stupid 18" wheels with mediocre tires and sports seats. Apparently BMW is hiding the cost of the oil coolers in the ZSP packages.... I am really not bothered in any case....if I find a tune for my 335xi great....else, I will hit the start button on my M6.





These threads are mildly amusing.....people treat dynocharts as definitive science. They are just guidelines.....

LINE UP THE CARS....this is the ONLY thing that matters!

Driver72 summed it up in the first few post anyways. It is what it is and there will be more to come.

Orb

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

Quote from Dinan's site:

"In fact, over 2000 engine management functions have been recalibrated, offering substantial increases in power output while maintaining the civility and reliability expected of a Dinan performance product."

Slightly more complicated than just raising boost. Don't forget the additional cooling capabilities added.

Your on crack if you think Dinan just said hmm lets choose 13.2 PSI and call it a day. They have to warranty these cars. There is a reason they didn't do 14,15,16 PSI of boost. If it was safe they would have done it and blown all the other piggyback vendors out of the market. No offense but Shiv, Terry, AA, etc. don't care about that aspect or else they'd offer that with their product. The fact of the matter is no one has put enough miles on these cars with these piggybacks running 14+ PSI of boost to know if its safe. That's just not a risk I'm willing to take since I'm buying my car and don't have the option of turning it in at 36k ragged out. Is the extra 20-30 hp/tq worth a blown 15k motor down the road? Depends on how deep your pockets are. Not worth it to me but then again, I guess you assumed that risk when you bought your chip/piggyback, whatever. Do you honestly think these piggyback manufacturers will be around once ECU flashes come out? Unless they can adapt to the market (look at Terry with his Dinan add-on he's working on) they will have gotten their money and rode off into the sunest in their Lambo and off to another car where they can do the same thing (See Evo, WRX, etc). The early mover advantage is great business model for some, but not something I'm looking for when trusting my $51k car to it.

Shiv, not so sure they used e90post as proof of what is possible for this motor. I would hope a multi-million dollar company would use better sources (i.e. they would be idiots if they didn't get their research either through their own testing or directly from BMW). But if you have proof, by all means please post it. Dinan spam posts don't count either, lol. If your so sold on what boost this motor can hold without reliability issues, then offer a warranty. Still waiting for a response on your shipping prices as well.

making the power you see on the dyno today... 310-320whp compared to what you see posted up every other day... 340-400+whp, do you think an intelligent person at Dinan would be concerned about excessive R&D in order to know for sure it would be safe? All they are really doing there is describing what any tuner does during a reflash, maybe less, when I had my Evo's reflashed Shiv would dyno tune/test the car... my opinion is you are paying for a warranty.

[bronco]

Will the DINAN flash car produce more (and how much more) if it runs a 93 octane?

[canesr1]

This is why today's results, IMHO, are more useful than any dyno result posted so far on this forum.
Shiv[/QUOTE]
Of course you think that...it favors your product by far. Why else would a competitor post anothers tuners #'s. Nice way of trying to bash another tuner. Only problem is, dinan does NOT go into limp mode frequently like your v2. And if by some chance it does, bmw will give me a loaner until the problem is fixed.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by bronco

Will the DINAN flash car produce more (and how much more) if it runs a 93 octane?

Sure it does produce more, how much more I am not sure of. It must be a good tune if the competition is posting reviews.

[canesr1]

Hey Mr. Shiv- You get the shipping costs figured out yet? $40 for 3 day mail? come on... Do you really need the extra $30.