[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

~540whp was at 20-21psi if I remember correctly. And it was a "glory run" (super aggressive map after a lot of cool down) so it's probably not something that your going to see in normal dyno conditions. I recall 500-510whp being repeatable. This was pretty close to the limits of the fuel system (factory fuel components plus m10 meth nozzle) and what seemed to be the limit of the turbo. If you are looking for a 500+whp turbo set up and don't mind more lag, a big single is probably going to be the way to go.

What was super agressive about it to squeeze out 110whp with 3psi more from the 18psi run on race+meth?

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

You obviously haven't read/understood the AR threads about their kit. It is not going to come withOUT their standback and the appropriate software and maps for their kit.

Besides, if it were as easy as using your autotune procede that is based around a completely different set up, then EVERYONE would have already had a manifold, downpipe, and intake fab'd and be running big singles!!!

You are obviously mistaken, I have read every page in all 3 threads. I dont give a shit what comes with the PACKAGE, Im am going for a completely custom setup, I could care less what they put together. I choose what goes into MY car. Not the manufacturer. And if they make you run the Cp-e I guess I will be waiting for HPF to release their kit. Their loss, if one wants to make a turbo kit that is marketable to a wide range of buyers then they need to keep the tune as a buyers choice. Learn some basic economics smartass. And btw did you not see my and Shiv's post...no one mentioned autotuning, I was talking about making a custom map for a modified turbo setup. Read before you post!

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by dzenno

What was super agressive about it to squeeze out 110whp with 3psi more from the 18psi run on race+meth?

I believe shiv was talking about the added stress on the stock fuel capabilities and the max boost sensor or something of the sorts, I beleive they had to swap in a new sensor to read above 20psi...dont quote me on that but I remember reading that in a post a couple months back. Also I think thats about all those turbos can handle, even though they are upgraded they were probably screaming hot after a couple runs at 20psi+. The housing would have to be super heat retardant in order to keep EGT's at an acceptable level.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by New Guy

Penn, i understand what youre saying, however the facts are straight. Fact is we both have the right to see things from a different point of view, and youre not getting what im saying(maybe i chose the wrong words) For those that cant read and learn how stuff works, they will never get it. You can lead a horse to water ,but you cant make him drink. Were on the same team, we just see things differently im out

Terry, or one of his minions...please go back to that riduculous place you guys call a forum. The asshattery and stupidity at that place is boggling to the intelligent mind.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by ar design

I supposed this explains your incessant need to post in competitors threads.

My work is done here.

Potential customer....lost. I'm sure there are many like me.

Your rhetoric is growing tiresome. We get it, you don't like Shiv or facts...move on.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by dzenno

What was super agressive about it to squeeze out 110whp with 3psi more from the 18psi run on race+meth?

It's been over a year so I don't recall all the details. I do know that for the 530-540whp run, we ran close to 22psi of boost, with straight meth and after a long cooldown and will full advance. I remember that the intercooler and charge pipes were even sprayed down prior to the run. A total glory run to put it mildly. Which is why I've always been more comfortable with the ~500whp claim (meth+race).

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's been over a year so I don't recall all the details. I do know that for the 530-540whp run, we ran close to 22psi of boost, with straight meth and after a long cooldown and will full advance. I remember that the intercooler and charge pipes were even sprayed down prior to the run. A total glory run to put it mildly. Which is why I've always been more comfortable with the ~500whp claim (meth+race).

Wasnt there some kind of sensor that had to be replaced in order to run over 20 pounds of boost? I recall there being some limitation of the tune or some sensor? I could be wrong just want to know for the future.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Wasnt there some kind of sensor that had to be replaced in order to run over 20 pounds of boost? I recall there being some limitation of the tune or some sensor? I could be wrong just want to know for the future.

The factory MAP sensor reads up to 22.5psi of boost. So if you are running close to that, you really need to add an external 3bar (30psi of boost) MAP sensor. I only felt comfortable tuning up to 20psi of boost with the ASR car for that reason. Yet another reason why that 530-540whp max boost glory run isn't very user applicable.

shiv

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The factory MAP sensor reads up to 22.5psi of boost. So if you are running close to that, you really need to add an external 3bar (30psi of boost) MAP sensor. I only felt comfortable tuning up to 20psi of boost with the ASR car for that reason. Yet another reason why that 530-540whp max boost glory run isn't very user applicable.

shiv

ah hah, all these years of smokin that sweet piff and my memory is still sharp as a tac. lol thanks Im not looking to crack 500whp til next year, just trying to remember where the boundaries are. Thanks

EDIT: Just saw under your drives it says procede v5? whats this about?

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by Penn999

EDIT: Just saw under your drives it says procede v5?

+1, what's that all about Shiv?

[IlChengis]

Originally Posted by Penn999

EDIT: Just saw under your drives it says procede v5? whats this about?

Good catch. We demand explanations.

-Walter

[maui86]

Originally Posted by dzenno

What was super agressive about it to squeeze out 110whp with 3psi more from the 18psi run on race+meth?

if my memory serves me right, on pump only, they didn't touch the double digit's for ignition timing at 16-17psi. so i guess we should find out what his timing maxes out at to see if its consisit with asr's 430whp claim on pump.

i recall shiv stating a lot of the power(500-510whp) for the race+meth map was made by increasing timing to ~14deg(is that full advance?) at ~18-19psi for the repeatable ~500whp. so i can see a ~70hp gain by increasing ~3psi AND ~4-6deg advance over the pump set up.

the area under the power curve is insane and should make for a very fun car to beat around!

shiv, correct me if i'm wrong.

teri

[cn555ic]

V5!!!!!!! Demand some answers to this asap

[AltecBX]

V5- I believe is for the N55

I hope V5 means he is getting something soon for the 550 (N63)

[OpenFlash]

v5 is for the n54 and n55.

[cn555ic]

V5 is for nitrous integration!!! Lol

[jpsimon]

standalone?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

standalone?

Nope...just a user software/firmware/map update.

[mycoupe]

Originally Posted by Penn999

You are obviously mistaken, I have read every page in all 3 threads. I dont give a shit what comes with the PACKAGE, Im am going for a completely custom setup, I could care less what they put together. I choose what goes into MY car. Not the manufacturer. And if they make you run the Cp-e I guess I will be waiting for HPF to release their kit. Their loss, if one wants to make a turbo kit that is marketable to a wide range of buyers then they need to keep the tune as a buyers choice. Learn some basic economics smartass. And btw did you not see my and Shiv's post...no one mentioned autotuning, I was talking about making a custom map for a modified turbo setup. Read before you post!

If you say so. Without their maps and everything they did to keep all the digital nannies happy, you'll basically be engineering your own turbo app. Which, so far has taken the tuners, oh...4 years to do by the time it comes out. Their standback is fully modifiable by the end user. Just sell your procede when the time comes and has shiv fine tune the preset maps if you want his handiwork involved so badly.

Just so we're clear, I mean absolutely no disrespect to Shiv or his products. I think the procede is an amazing piggyback and I am very happy that he made it.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

If you say so. Without their maps and everything they did to keep all the digital nannies happy, you'll basically be engineering your own turbo app. Which, so far has taken the tuners, oh...4 years to do by the time it comes out. Their standback is fully modifiable by the end user. Just sell your procede when the time comes and has shiv fine tune the preset maps if you want his handiwork involved so badly.

Just so we're clear, I mean absolutely no disrespect to Shiv or his products. I think the procede is an amazing piggyback and I am very happy that he made it.

Procede will have no problem controlling a single turbo, as Shiv already stated IIRC.

There is no magic to controlling a single turbo or twin turbo....

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

As far as our tune is concerned, controlling a single turbo is no different than controlling the factory twins. So it will work with any turbo system. I believe there is another single turbo option coming out in the next several months as well (other than HPF). It will boil down to picking the turbo kit you want and then picking the most appropriate tune you want. I don't see them necessarily going hand-in-hand other than for marketing/sales reasons.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by ar design

I supposed this explains your incessant need to post in competitors threads.

My work is done here.

Throw an ambiguous grenade and then turn your back and run for the hills?

I am a bit confused by your motives. It is no secret that AR makes a fine DP, if not the finest. AR does often enter threads of lesser quality DP’s to defend why theirs is better, which I understand. But then you turn and suggest that other vendors should not do the same? That is the way I am reading it yet I could be wrong.

To add to this it seems the idea of quality is only limited to what one has in his/her portfolio. The primary point of AR’s MO has been the originator of the 3 inch DP as well as using quality components and knowledgeable labor. I find this in stark contrast with their support of BMS’s components which are essentially the China knock off of the piggy back world. I say this for two points which I will highlight.

On design, AR was the originator of the 3 inch DP. BMS has yet to be an originator on any aspect. In fact, many items have been copied (sound like what the China competition did with the UR DP’s).

On the quality aspect I see AR tout material properties and craftsman quality as other selling points which I whole heartedly agree with. But conversely sell BMS products which do not meet the microprocessor recommendations on usage. If you look at the specifications for the microprocessor it shows the suggested filtering, etc. components to be used which BMS disregarded as unnecessary to reduce costs, initially touted as additional failure points (which is the opposite of the new board soon to be released). That again sounds like the Chinese way.

So on one hand, AR will defend its quality on certain premise. But on the other, it will prostitute its self to sell a product which does not live up to its own credo.

Just curious which face is the real one?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by IlChengis

barely spoke any English

I would have never guessed that about you. Heck, your English is about a good as mine.

And I would not purchase these turbos IMO as there seems to be little overall support.