[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by kaji335i

Would it not make more sense to send your product to Vishnu? Being that they developed the maps, firmware, etc for the Procede and have a indepth knowledge of the their product along with lots of R&D on stock limitations.

Infact it doesn't even have to be with Vishnu, it could be any piggyback vendor of your choice. Vishnu makes the most since, since they are the market share leader at this time.

All it will take is a single piggyback vendor doing a map tuned for your product that shows gains and overall reliability (A/F, etc), and people will puchase your product. Even ones that aren't running that specific piggyback would be more inclined to purchase, since most piggybacks have the same base functinality. New maps for other products will soon follow fueling more purchases of your product.

[Geezer]

Can I get a free set of downpipes too if UR starts sending them out everywhere?
I guess I just dont see why you think its their responsibility to go to Shiv and ask for a map even though it seems like they have been in touch.
Whether its UR or Riss the product is suppoused to be an improvement over stock which from reading the threads it is. Faster spool butt dyno less weight makes power over stock etc. The only problem so far has been that there arent any gains with a map thats made for STOCK parts. I can add 2 and 2 together and figure out its the tune not the downpipes. Do you really expect every vendor who comes out with a product whether it be exhaust downpipe a turbo kit in the future etc to contact Shiv AA Dinan whoever to custom make a map just for that particular part?
If Shiv knows that people out there want a DP map why doesnt he send a unit to UR? Or buy a set of downpipes? It seems like Shiv is the one that would profit more by having a product on the market that people want. Downpipes are available you want them you can buy them. A tune for them is not.

[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by Geezer

Can I get a free set of downpipes too if UR starts sending them out everywhere?
I guess I just dont see why you think its their responsibility to go to Shiv and ask for a map even though it seems like they have been in touch.
Whether its UR or Riss the product is suppoused to be an improvement over stock which from reading the threads it is. Faster spool butt dyno less weight makes power over stock etc. The only problem so far has been that there arent any gains with a map thats made for STOCK parts. I can add 2 and 2 together and figure out its the tune not the downpipes. Do you really expect every vendor who comes out with a product whether it be exhaust downpipe a turbo kit in the future etc to contact Shiv AA Dinan whoever to custom make a map just for that particular part?
If Shiv knows that people out there want a DP map why doesnt he send a unit to UR? Or buy a set of downpipes? It seems like Shiv is the one that would profit more by having a product on the market that people want. Downpipes are available you want them you can buy them. A tune for them is not.

I am not saying its their responsibility, I'm saying isn't in their best interest to do so? What good would it be for UR to have a Procede? Even if they were able to develop a map for it to work with their product, what happens after that? If there are changes to firmware in the Procede, will UR be able to make the appropriate changes for a new map? Who will maintain that map? Will UR also provide hosting so we can access it?

Why would a piggyback vendor buy DP's and make a map for it if they aren't even sure if it will yeild any gains?

[Geezer]

You missed my point man.. i realize Shiv sending them a Procede unit wouldnt be the best idea. But it seems like they have been proactive about setting something up through Vishnu. You can't blame them for manufacturing a product that produces power above a stock part but does not work with another aftermarket manufacturers stock map. If anything the tuners who make these maps should be proactive about getting their hands on a car with DPs installed and making some power. I would be willing to bet they will make power with a proper tune. If they don't UR can always blame the tune

[normtrum]

I can actually see the points both of you guys are trying to make....all I know is if there was a custom map for these downpipes, and they showed the significant gains that I know they can, I would order them tomorrow.

[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by Geezer

You missed my point man.. i realize Shiv sending them a Procede unit wouldnt be the best idea. But it seems like they have been proactive about setting something up through Vishnu. You can't blame them for manufacturing a product that produces power above a stock part but does not work with another aftermarket manufacturers stock map. If anything the tuners who make these maps should be proactive about getting their hands on a car with DPs installed and making some power. I would be willing to bet they will make power with a proper tune. If they don't UR can always blame the tune

Understood, just wish there was more continuity between vendors. Its a win win situation from all sides, customer included. Anyway, I just ordered the UR catted downpipes, I will setup an appointment with Shiv once I get them to do the tune/map.

[judec]

Originally Posted by normtrum

I can actually see the points both of you guys are trying to make....all I know is if there was a custom map for these downpipes, and they showed the significant gains that I know they can, I would order them tomorrow.

that's it. there's no reason to blame UR or the piggy providers. It's up on them how they use the given oportunity and raise their sales... or not.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by normtrum

I can actually see the points both of you guys are trying to make....all I know is if there was a custom map for these downpipes, and they showed the significant gains that I know they can, I would order them tomorrow.

+1

[Beer Goggles]

That's the problem with all aftermarket tuning parts, there is NO way to test every combination of parts. Which is why Piggy Backs and ECU need to be tuned by somebody instead of thinking that a piggyback can be capable of every option.

So now you have a procede and Dps, what happens with exhaust? Or removing cats...Hello Square 1.

[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by Beer Goggles

That's the problem with all aftermarket tuning parts, there is NO way to test every combination of parts. Which is why Piggy Backs and ECU need to be tuned by somebody instead of thinking that a piggyback can be capable of every option.

So now you have a procede and Dps, what happens with exhaust? Or removing cats...Hello Square 1.

Agreed that this won't help everyone, but it may help some. And in the end, we get to see the results of the DP's with a proper tune, others get a map they can use and I get something I was going to get anyway, only sooner.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by normtrum

Craig - Have you tried to e-mail Dustin through Vishnu's tech support? I'm just wondering if it's better to ask the DP/procede mapping quetions directly through vishnu instead of on e90post. On the Vishnu site Dustins e-mail address is listed under "tech support".

The only reason I mention this is because I've been intently watching this thread to see if the mapping questions can be properly answered before I pull the trigger on the DP's.

Dustin@VishnuTuning.com <Dustin@VishnuTuning.com>

I have posted numerous times asking the question about the downpipe program; I have PM'd Dustin with this request as well; Finally, I called yesterday about setting up an appointment to get a custom tune. I asked about the price, and how long it would take. Guess what? I haven't heard back from anyone.

I've done what I could do and it seems like they don't give a rat's ass about me or what I want. Maybe it's becuase I bought the procede off of a private party instead of them. I just don't understand. I'm right hear waving money in their face and their ignoring me. Maybe they're pissed because I tested out the juice box. I could come up with a whole bunch of possibilities, but it doesn't change the fact that I want the best program for my car--period.

AA is even going to give me 2 programs to test out for them, and if they see a way to make it better then they will send me that as well. Let's see what the outcome will be.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I have posted numerous times asking the question about the downpipe program; I have PM'd Dustin with this request as well; Finally, I called yesterday about setting up an appointment to get a custom tune. I asked about the price, and how long it would take. Guess what? I haven't heard back from anyone.

I've done what I could do and it seems like they don't give a rat's ass about me or what I want. Maybe it's becuase I bought the procede off of a private party instead of them. I just don't understand. I'm right hear waving money in their face and their ignoring me. Maybe they're pissed because I tested out the juice box. I could come up with a whole bunch of possibilities, but it doesn't change the fact that I want the best program for my car--period.

AA is even going to give me 2 programs to test out for them, and if they see a way to make it better then they will send me that as well. Let's see what the outcome will be.

I can certainly understand your frustration. It looks like you've made a helluva effort.

[Riss Racing]

Give Vishnu some time. They just finished V2 those guys are really busy. I'm sure they will make a map as soon as they catch up.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Riss Racing

Give Vishnu some time. They just finished V2 those guys are really busy. I'm sure they will make a map as soon as they catch up.

They could have at least told me that themselves instead of leaving me hanging.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Brisk

Man cant wait to see the results on the custom Tune with ur setup... Tune and DP's/exhaust is the next big thing coming up.

Yea im hearing more and more on the Custom Tune AA for people running DP/exhaust and even intake together. AA was great helping my cuzin with his SC M3.. seems as people are becoming happy with there custom tune work aswell.

That's good to hear. Now it needs to hurry up and get here!

[335iheLLraiseR]

i want a custom tune as much as anyone but to be fair lets see what vishnu has had on their plate, first release of V2, plus tech support for V1, plus running a shop in California of all places, and lets not mention the Evo and Subaru crowd they cater to......it adds up. i don't think Shiv is gonna stop his whole operation because of the whopping 5 people on this forum that have Dps.thing is what most people say is true, you need to give it time.

[Doss]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

i want a custom tune as much as anyone but to be fair lets see what vishnu has had on their plate, first release of V2, plus tech support for V1, plus running a shop in California of all places, and lets not mention the Evo and Subaru crowd they cater to......it adds up. i don't think Shiv is gonna stop his whole operation because of the whopping 5 people on this forum that have Dps.thing is what most people say is true, you need to give it time.

Plus having fun driving the Porsche

[DreM3]

Originally Posted by kaji335i

Understood, just wish there was more continuity between vendors. Its a win win situation from all sides, customer included. Anyway, I just ordered the UR catted downpipes, I will setup an appointment with Shiv once I get them to do the tune/map.

Bravo

[bnj]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

i want a custom tune as much as anyone but to be fair lets see what vishnu has had on their plate, first release of V2, plus tech support for V1, plus running a shop in California of all places, and lets not mention the Evo and Subaru crowd they cater to......it adds up. i don't think Shiv is gonna stop his whole operation because of the whopping 5 people on this forum that have Dps.thing is what most people say is true, you need to give it time.

Give it time and the number of combination of various upgrades explodes far beyond one tuning company tuning capabilities - even if they would give up tuning all the other cars, Procede support and Procede R&D. Furthermore, Vishnu is surely not interested in just doing mapping as they seem to be able to develop products. The only solution is to tune the maps by tuning professionals close to the customer. When that is possible all the customers are happy and Procede sales will really take off. I started a thread about this, but Shiv did not provide a clear view about the development regarding this at that time.

[Ado]

Darryl,

I really don't want to pick on you here bro as i have nothing against you but when you say that you haven't been able to get your hands on a PROCede that doesn't make sense to me at all. I offered my car to you and told you that it has PROCede the only request I had was that you guys install the down pipes in for free. You rejected the idea.

I really wanted to see the powergains on PROCede & DP's which clearly shows my interests in this thread. I'm hopping someone will have a solution soon.

For now it seems like everyone who has a piggyback should wait off on buying catbacks until we can get some kind of map for it. This may put a little more pressure on the vendors to get us what we want .

[Tuned335i]

Originally Posted by Riss Racing

Give Vishnu some time. They just finished V2 those guys are really busy. I'm sure they will make a map as soon as they catch up.

+1

Vishnu is an extremely small company. We all know they read these forums and know there are people out there who have DPs, exhausts, and other mods and need new custom maps. My theory is that there were limitations with V1 implementation that made creating new maps for that hardware a "lost cause". V2 obviously takes the control of the powerplant systems to another level and maybe that is what was needed before developing maps customized for much smaller segments of their customer base made any sense.

Also, the business reason probably was that the percentage of PROcede V1 owners with DPs etc is probably not as great as one might think...so developing maps for those special cars would shut up a lot of vocal users, but probably not be the best use of their obviously limited resources prior to completion of V2...

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Ado

Darryl,

I really don't want to pick on you here bro as i have nothing against you but when you say that you haven't been able to get your hands on a PROCede that doesn't make sense to me at all. I offered my car to you and told you that it has PROCede the only request I had was that you guys install the down pipes in for free. You rejected the idea.

I really wanted to see the powergains on PROCede & DP's which clearly shows my interests in this thread. I'm hopping someone will have a solution soon.

For now it seems like everyone who has a piggyback should wait off on buying catbacks until we can get some kind of map for it. This may put a little more pressure on the vendors to get us what we want .

Just to clarify, are you saying you wanted to pay regular price for the DP's but they would install them for free or are you saying you wanted them to install a free set into your car in exchange for letting them use it to do a test Dyno? If it's the later I'm not surprised they wern't interested.