[stressdoc]

Interesting data, thanks to Bob and Shiv. Dinan states that they purposely diminish high rpm power for reliability. +50 whp / +60 ft. lbs. is a great result. I am astonished that on this dyno, the Dinan flash was so close to Shiv's car.

I do not get the negative comments. The dyno shop is independent, it was Bob's car, the data are clean.

Take Thumper's dad's advice: If you don't have somethin' nice to say, don't say nothin' at all.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Interesting data, thanks to Bob and Shiv. Dinan states that they purposely diminish high rpm power for reliability. +50 whp / +60 ft. lbs. is a great result. I am astonished that on this dyno, the Dinan flash was so close to Shiv's car.

I do not get the negative comments. The dyno shop is independent, it was Bob's car, the data are clean.

Take Thumper's dad's advice: If you don't have somethin' nice to say, don't say nothin' at all.

+1

[T Bone]

I wanna see Dinan vs. JB2H vs. SSTT

Real cars, real runs - this is the only thing that matters.

We can look at clinical (and misleading) dyno charts all day but the only thing that matters is who gets to show off their taillights on video.

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by T Bone

I wanna see Dinan vs. JB2H vs. SSTT

Real cars, real runs - this is the only thing that matters.

We can look at clinical (and misleading) dyno charts all day but the only thing that matters is who gets to show off their taillights on video.

And on a REAL drag strip. This honk three times crap is so unscientific.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by forza1976

And on a REAL drag strip. This honk three times crap is so unscientific.

I beg to differ, but that's off topic.
Each has their benefits to showcasing different elements.

[sirploppy]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Well, Dinan started doing their R&D on their ECU Flash several months after Shiv began adapting the old XEDE piggyback to the 335i, and months after Shiv already had hundreds of piggyback'd 335i's running around, so no, I don't think so. It's just that Dinan has more $$ resources and more ppl, but the fact is they entered the 335i tuning ballgame in the bottom of the 8th inning.

Given the fact that the N54 F/I tt engine in the 335i is all new for '07, you can't say Dinan knows more about tuning this engine than Shiv, especially given the time they've had working with the car vs. Shiv's time with the car.

You have no idea when Dinan started R&D on the flash. The true statement is that Shiv got to market first with his product. This idea that before Shiv started tuning the 335, no one was thinking about it is rediculous.

He got to market first, simple as that.

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I beg to differ, but that's off topic.
Each has their benefits to showcasing different elements.

Never seems to be an even race, and all tuning options should be good from a dig. NHRA sure doesn't have a 30 or 40 roll category!

But I agree, off topic.

[stressdoc]

Actually we have a pretty good idea when Steve started working on the 335 because of all the interviews and leaks. But who cares? What does this red herring have to do with the price of cheese in Denmark???

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Actually we have a pretty good idea when Steve started working on the 335 because of all the interviews and leaks. But who cares? What does this red herring have to do with the price of cheese in Denmark???

We do have one hard data point. Shiv claimed that Dinan ask to re-brand the Procede as a Dinan product. So whenever this happened, Dinan was still in a Make-or-Buy decision point.

Shiv - when was this?

[orientblue3]

Originally Posted by sdwilly

Since you are the one saying they did the research the burden of proof is on you, but don't let that stop you by all means keep speculating..

Other than quoting some marketing babble I didn't see anything in your post that proved otherwise.

Are you serious? Your serious right? You crack me up. Lets see, a multi-million dollar company that has to warranty a car with a $15k engine if their product damages the motor would do very little to no R&D on a car they put their product on? I swear, some of you people have no idea what your talking about sometimes.

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

The 2008 + E92 M3 on 91 octane Mustang Dyno'd 350 rear wheel horsepower...

I'm going to have fun killing 335's. The joy of the E92 M3 2008 hooray + handling

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by sirploppy

You have no idea when Dinan started R&D on the flash. The true statement is that Shiv got to market first with his product. This idea that before Shiv started tuning the 335, no one was thinking about it is rediculous.

He got to market first, simple as that.

Ah, yes we do, genius. Several of us were in contact with Dinan for several months prior to going with Shiv's original XEDE, PROcede, or other tuning option. Dinan did NOT even get a 335i to begin their ECU Flash R&D until some time in the 1st or 2nd QTR, 2007...several months after Shiv began his R&D on Sept. 1, 2006, the 1st day the 335i arrived at US BMW dealers (and when Shiv took delivery on his own 335i).

I personally contacted and received e-mail replies from someone at Dinan back in Sept., Oct., and Nov., 06, and each time, they confirmed they hadn't received a 335i and hadn't started on their 335i R&D. Dinan started late in the game, and came to market "later" in the game...period.

[orientblue3]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Ah, yes we do, genius. Several of us were in contact with Dinan for several months prior to going with Shiv's original XEDE, PROcede, or other tuning option. Dinan did NOT even get a 335i to begin their ECU Flash R&D until some time in the 1st or 2nd QTR, 2007...several months after Shiv began his R&D on Sept. 1, 2006, the 1st day the 335i arrived at US BMW dealers (and when Shiv took delivery on his own 335i).

I personally contacted and received e-mail replies from someone at Dinan back in Sept., Oct., and Nov., 06, and each time, they confirmed they hadn't received a 335i and hadn't started on their 335i R&D. Dinan started late in the game, and came to market "later" in the game...period.

I'm usually not one to point out the obvious but since when does more time spent doing R&D automatically equal better R&D? With the resources we know Dinan has at hand (plus with help directly from BMW) I would think they got a lot more accomplished in that timeframe than Shiv did. I'm sure Shiv has some good resources and all but seriously, I'm sure its not on the same level as Dinan (again with help directly from BMW as well if that point isn't sufficent for you). It's not about the time spent doing R&D, its about the quality of the R&D done.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by orientblue3

I'm usually not one to point out the obvious but since when does more time spent doing R&D automatically equal better R&D? With the resources we know Dinan has at hand (plus with help directly from BMW) I would think they got a lot more accomplished in that timeframe than Shiv did. I'm sure Shiv has some good resources and all but seriously, I'm sure its not on the same level as Dinan (again with help directly from BMW as well if that point isn't sufficent for you). It's not about the time spent doing R&D, its about the quality of the R&D done.

It doesn't really matter; what matters in this case is the end result. Check the stats, dynos, and drag strip runs of PROcede v2 cars. We don't need to argue about the pros/cons of the Piggyback vs. the ECU Flash, but we should agree that both tuners (Shiv and Steve Dinan) now know quite a bit about the N54 engine in the 335i. I for one can say that through my own personal experiences with Shiv over the past year have shown me that I can trust him in terms of tuning this car.

[uberschnell]

Why is everyone acting like this is the final stand for either tune? Regardless of all the static here, this is the first solid piece of info in what hopefully will be sea of info in the next few months regarding where the tunes stand. Can't wait till the dust settles.

[Herknav]

Originally Posted by T Bone

These threads are mildly amusing.....people treat dynocharts as definitive science. They are just guidelines.....

LINE UP THE CARS....this is the ONLY thing that matters!

I thought I would never find this sentiment. Thank you. Are you sure your not a closet muscle-car head?



You can argue about HP numbers on the internet all night, but in the end, you are still sitting on your computer arguing about numbers on the internet...

[Rips335iCoupe]

OK, my car has the TT on it ... forget about the numbers .... let's hit the strip, or the road ... doesn't matter to me .... bring it on!!

[badass335]

Originally Posted by Orb

If it make any differance. v2 @ 94% only pulled more torque once out of 3 runs over the Dinan on the same dyno with the same gas. I did not post because it wasn't the best one.

Orb

Actually, i believe it was always more than the dinan torque wise.
First run - 298Whp/ 315WTq
Second run- 299Whp/ 325WTq
Third Run - 299Whp/ 323WTq

These were my runs.

I believe the Dinan numbers were
First Run - 277Whp/ 310WTq
Second Run -
Third Run - 280Whp/ 316WTq

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

That is good numbers! on 93 that would've 330-340 whp ?! to the wheels.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by forza1976

Never seems to be an even race, and all tuning options should be good from a dig. NHRA sure doesn't have a 30 or 40 roll category!

But I agree, off topic.

You are missing the point.
NHRA is a test of car AND driver in equal equation.

When you want to know how a car itself accelerates, eliminating about 98% of driver skill, it's shown in a much higher degree from a roll.

[Stage 2 Drew]

ron jeremy's is bigger

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Ah, yes we do, genius. Several of us were in contact with Dinan for several months prior to going with Shiv's original XEDE, PROcede, or other tuning option. Dinan did NOT even get a 335i to begin their ECU Flash R&D until some time in the 1st or 2nd QTR, 2007...several months after Shiv began his R&D on Sept. 1, 2006, the 1st day the 335i arrived at US BMW dealers (and when Shiv took delivery on his own 335i).

I personally contacted and received e-mail replies from someone at Dinan back in Sept., Oct., and Nov., 06, and each time, they confirmed they hadn't received a 335i and hadn't started on their 335i R&D. Dinan started late in the game, and came to market "later" in the game...period.

I'm not a shiv fan, but +1, I was one of those who contacted them.

but like stressdoc and others say, what does it matter?