[boggysv]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

Wow I guess BMW can get on here and VOID warranty on 60% of 335 owners out there today....because im sure everyone one on here has said the word. "xede". "procede" "race" "drag"

I can say xede procede race and drag as often as I like, but it wouldnt mean a damm thing if it doesnt relate my car. (i.e. I dont race it, and I dont install a procede)

You can say "I want to bring my car to the track" and it wont mean anything, since there is no confirmation that you did.
However, you mentioned that you brought the car to the track to do a timed run, and came back with results. Are you going to deny that too?

Are you just plain pissed off, or do you really not understand the difference?


I do wish you get a new fuelpump since this is a BMW problem.

[CoralRedPlz]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

And a real retard at that....being that you do work for Irvine BMW and your on the forums calling people out and posting false information on a public forum.!

more power to you being a loser buddy!

i am pretty sure im not getting 'leveled' here, but reading the thread, bimport isnt his SA, he was (i thought) being very sarcastic about it the whole thread.

hes a nerd and a troll, but thats it.

[lkraven]

You deserve a new fuel pump, CEA 3, if your fuel pump is broken. If it's broken, it's because of a manufacturing defect.

But trying to claim you DIDN'T have a Procede installed is... I dunno. Whatever you feel is necessary, I guess.

[OpenFlash]

CEA-- Just go to another dealership. Denying your fuel pump recall due to aftermarket wheels/tires is just silly. Your aftermarket exhaust, I can just maybe see it (and it still wouldn't be right). But not wheels/tires.

-shiv

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by CoralRedPlz

i am pretty sure im not getting 'leveled' here, but but reading the thread, bimport isnt his SA, he was (i thought) being very sarcastic about it the whole thread.

1. He's not an SA
2. He's not being sarcastic. He has really tried to make only one point, PROcede voids your warranty.

His motivation for wanting to send that message is open for debate.

[Doccommando]

Geez...BMW's starting to sound like Mitsubishi.

Anyway...a few things to point out.

1. A part cannot simply "void a warranty." In fact, a manufacturer cannot simply "void a warranty" because you have aftermarket parts installed on your car. What a manufacturer can do, under Federal law, is refuse a warranty claim if they can prove that the aftermarket part in question directly caused the part that you're making the claim for to fail.

As in, if they cannot prove that the part directly caused the malfunction, they cannot deny your warranty claim. AT NO POINT CAN BMW SIMPLY VOID YOUR WARRANTY BECAUSE OF AFTERMARKET PARTS.

To make this even more clear Procede CANNOT "void your warranty."

2. What's with all of the hating? Do you work for BMW? A BMW dealership?

No? Then why are some people going out of their way to try and "pin" this on the OP. What business is it of yours whether or not he uninstalled something before taking it to the dealership? Just an interesting thought.

Ultimately, it's worse for the whole community if BMW starts denying warranty claims based on suspected mods. It's generally not legal and creates a situation that puts the consumer in a negative position because it's very expensive to litigate warranty issues.

[CoralRedPlz]

Originally Posted by radgator1

1. He's not an SA
2. He's not being sarcastic. He has really tried to make only one point, PROcede voids your warranty.

His motivation for wanting to send that message is open for debate.

i said he was being sarcastic about being CEA's SA, not about his views on the topic.

[CASHBY]

Sorry

[Doccommando]

Originally Posted by ganeil

The case you refer to concerned aftermarket parts that replaced the OEM parts and met industry standards for that part. The point of the ruling was that a claim could not be denied because you used a FRAM oil filter rather than the OEM filter as long as it was the proper size, etc...

The BMW warranty explicitly states that it is not applicable if the car has been modified to exceed their specifications. This means the ENTIRE WARRANTY. The whole point of PROcede is to exceed BMW's specifications. If you went to court and relied on the earlier case, there is a very good chance you will lose.

This is incorrect.

BMW cannot legally deny warranty claims on parts unrelated to the aftermarket part, regardless of whether or not that part creates a situation where specifications are being exceeded. A dealer cannot deny a service claim on your engine if you have a modified suspension, etc. etc.

You sound like a law student or a lawyer and so it leads me to wonder why you're coming to this conclusion.

[CoralRedPlz]

big words >>> being correct.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Doccommando

Geez...BMW's starting to sound like Mitsubishi.

And the sky is also falling.

One isolated incident with a known bad dealership and BMW looks like Mitsu? CEA, is your car at Irvine BMW or do you have it? I work down the street. LMK.

[Doccommando]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

And the sky is also falling.

One isolated incident with a known bad dealership and BMW looks like Mitsu? CEA, is your car at Irvine BMW or do you have it? I work down the street. LMK.

Haha, it wasn't meant as a huge insult. There's a reason I'm on these boards, I'll soon own a BMW again

Either way, warranty denial based on tires is right out of the Mitsu playbook.

[lkraven]

Originally Posted by CoralRedPlz

big words>>> being correct.

I vehemently concur with the concise summation of stated arguments so resolutely and eloquently surmised.

[ATG]

Originally Posted by Doccommando

As in, if they cannot prove that the part directly caused the malfunction, they cannot deny your warranty claim. AT NO POINT CAN BMW SIMPLY VOID YOUR WARRANTY BECAUSE OF AFTERMARKET PARTS.

That was exactly my point that I tried to deliver throughout this thread. There has to be proof of causal connection between PROcede and the fuel pump failure. Period. That may require a scientific test that a stupid local dealership is not equipped to do. And the burend of proof is on the party who tries to deny warranty. So, the rebuttable presumption, if you will, is that the car is warrantied bumper-to-bumper up to 50k miles.

Racing could be a different story though, but again, they have to prove it.

[lkraven]

Originally Posted by ATG

Racing could be a different story though, but again, they have to prove it.

THE ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE*





*not meant for performance driving.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by CoralRedPlz

i said he was being sarcastic about being CEA's SA, not about his views on the topic.

He was being sarcastic about being CEA's SA. I think CEA took him seriously on that statement.

[CASHBY]

?

[OC ///M]

Originally Posted by Doccommando

...a few things to point out.

1. A part cannot simply "void a warranty." In fact, a manufacturer cannot simply "void a warranty" because you have aftermarket parts installed on your car. What a manufacturer can do, under Federal law, is refuse a warranty claim if they can prove that the aftermarket part in question directly caused the part that you're making the claim for to fail.

As in, if they cannot prove that the part directly caused the malfunction, they cannot deny your warranty claim. AT NO POINT CAN BMW SIMPLY VOID YOUR WARRANTY BECAUSE OF AFTERMARKET PARTS.

To make this even more clear Procede CANNOT "void your warranty."

2. What's with all of the hating? Do you work for BMW? A BMW dealership?

No? Then why are some people going out of their way to try and "pin" this on the OP. What business is it of yours whether or not he uninstalled something before taking it to the dealership? Just an interesting thought.

Ultimately, it's worse for the whole community if BMW starts denying warranty claims based on suspected mods. It's generally not legal and creates a situation that puts the consumer in a negative position because it's very expensive to litigate warranty issues.

good post

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

Nah I know who my SA is... and trust me it is not him.

might work there but oh well. at the end of the day it was wrong to get denied for tires and no where on my paper work or in their system does it say anything about upgraded ECU.

I called and verrified my warranty is still good and was advised jsut to take to another dealership for "better customer service"

Good to hear I would still like to hear back from Itsbrokeagain or Matt to see what they say about how they test the FP. It seems like often it takes them a couple of days to make the determination that it is bad.

[OC ///M]

Originally Posted by lkraven

I vehemently concur with the concise summation of stated arguments so resolutely and eloquently surmised.

Charlie: This is so pathetic it is almost laughable...(but I don't think I'd be)

If you want, PM me and I'll set you up with my bro who's a SA over at Crevier.

Let me know.

[CASHBY]

oh well.

[BzsBimmer]

man this is like a mini series
Prison Break is on season hiatus... this'll do