[Hulk Smash]

Originally Posted by azuki

this is not new. it's the same old cycle for many years (as with any product).
current owners defend their purchase religiously.
research/marketing team works to what appeals to new generation and release new design.
controversy ensues. rinse and repeat.

Many current owners look forward to upgrading their purchase, not simply defending it. It's too soon to use the G87 to appeal to a different generation that purchased the F87. It's the same demographic of the population. There aren't a lot of teenagers and people in their early 20s that can afford the G87. The G87 has some controversial styling cues, but I give BMW the benefit of the doubt that it hits all performance targets.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Many current owners look forward to upgrading their purchase, not simply defending it. It's too soon to use the G87 to appeal to a different generation that purchased the F87. It's the same demographic of the population. There aren't a lot of teenagers and people in their early 20s that can afford the G87. The G87 has some controversial styling cues, but I give BMW the benefit of the doubt that it hits all performance targets.

This car isn't marketed at teens and twenty-somethings. Statistically, your average BMW buyer is in their early 40's. There's this forum belief that the buyers of the new(er) ///M's are all new buyers, but that's flawed reasoning. While there are always new people coming to, and leaving, the brand…..the core buyers of the new model(s) are already BMW owners. The new/next generation of buyers are mostly comprised of the current buyers whose tastes have changed/developed.

When we looked at the arrival of the G8X, those who hated it held the belief that the people who bought the car were new to the brand. While that was true in some cases, many E46/E9X/F8X owners jumped into the G8X. They weren't new buyers at all.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by mhh

I've ordered a TR manual with the bicolour wheels but really the car deserves a better wheel choice than these two. Is there something from the BMW aftermarket catalogue that would fit?

Congrats, I'd take a look at the Mperformance 1000M wheel, being a G80/2 wheel it will obviously fit. There's also a pic floating around I've seen of a TR with the bronze 1000M & it looks great. Here's a pic on a camo'd G87.

[MParallel]

With all the stuff BMW now makes, this M3 is actually a pretty fresh breeze.

It's a bit weird and quirky at some points, but overall I do like it.

Surprised this M model doesn't have the 50th anniversary roundel fitted.

[fanofbmwe46]

I had both an E46 and an F80 M3. Sold the latest one last year and moved to a Porsche Cayman because I didn't want to wait for the G87 and the leaked bumpers looked like crap. Now I'm strongly considering selling the Cayman to go back to BMW for the G87. It looks way better in launch photos… only thing I despise is no analog tach.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Fair enough, but if we (this forum) are the minority. Are the people in the youtube comments also part of the minority? Many of the same things said here are being said in the comments for the G87 launch video.

Because it's the sheeple thing to do to hate bmw design these days

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by SW19

Don’t expect Toronto Red to look like these pics.It is definitely an orangey red.It hasn’t been very popular but i like it.I have only seen the color once at my dealer and it was an X3M.

I got a lot of positive comments on my Toronto Red X3MC. It's one of those colors that really pops in the sun and turns into more of a traditional red in darker lighting.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Because it's the sheeple thing to do to hate bmw design these days

I would not base a buying decision on a Tach. Saw a review on YouTube yesterday, the guy loved the new M2, couldn't stop raving about it, but ended saying he couldn't buy for one reason only, the freaking Curved Display. Analog gauges are going away, something we have to get accustomed to if we want to enjoy the next generation of cars; specifically E Power cars.

But if I was in your shoes, needed only two seats, I wouldn't look back. Of course it depends on which Porsche Cayman you got, big difference between a base and a GTS. M2 and Cayman are both formidable sports cars, but with different use cases. Decide what's best for your lifestyle and enjoy the ride 🙂

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

That M3 wagon in the background making it look bad though :P

I had the same reaction while watching the video, was drawn to the looks and stance of the "station wagon on steroids".

One thing I like are the new recessed door handles, reminds me of the old BMWs my family had. I also agree that the lights are the weak point of the design language, car looks aggressive and ready to rip!

To some other posts about defending your purchase and current ride - I own a Misano CS and stripper e92 V8 and do find the new design exciting with some e30 vibe. Not sure if I would buy another M2, or another M3 (for whatever reason the M4 design doesn't strike me) - or jump to a 911 pending prices coming down. Somehow M cars seem to look way better in person than online.

Good stuff OP!

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

I had the same reaction while watching the video, was drawn to the looks and stance of the "station wagon on steroids".

One thing I like are the new recessed door handles, reminds me of the old BMWs my family had. I also agree that the lights are the weak point of the design language, car looks aggressive and ready to rip!

Good stuff OP!

Agree about lights. They needed to be more special than lower trim models. The fake vents, while I get are there to accentuate the horizontal language of kidney grill lamelas, they serve no functional purpose and for a purpose l-built car, that's a shame.

[modat]

As a G80 owner I am seriously considering trading in my car to get a fully loaded M2.

I really love the way this thing looks

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Yes, it looks like the car had multiple design teams each with their own vision for the car. Instead of sticking to a central theme for the overal shape of the car, the exterior is incorporating every shape possible which leads to somewhat of a mess. The fender flares out like the F87, but instead of carrying the smooth curve into the rear of the car, it abruptly transitions to hard/jagged angles. It's like a F87 with a Fast and Furious style bodykit from 2001. I believe that's why the F87's exterior somewhat looks like it's the newer design, because it all flows together.

Ive seen this same complaint made about just about every new car that has been released from any brand. The only time ive really ever agreed with it was the c8 corvette where they had to make the rear end boxy to incorporate the larger trunk. This m2 design looks very cohesive to me...even more so than the current gen m2 imo

[P1]

Pretty cool the M2 has running boards!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by P1

Pretty cool the M2 has running boards!

#UnderratedComment

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by carjoy

I would not base a buying decision on a Tach. Saw a review on YouTube yesterday, the guy loved the new M2, couldn't stop raving about it, but ended saying he couldn't buy for one reason only, the freaking Curved Display. Analog gauges are going away, something we have to get accustomed to if we want to enjoy the next generation of cars; specifically E Power cars.

But if I was in your shoes, needed only two seats, I wouldn't look back. Of course it depends on which Porsche Cayman you got, big difference between a base and a GTS. M2 and Cayman are both formidable sports cars, but with different use cases. Decide what's best for your lifestyle and enjoy the ride 🙂

You might be surprised how much something like a tach, or door handles might matter - just ask the 992 crowd.

With that being said, I think Porsche did a good job of retaining some of the historical, analog aspects of older 911s in the 992 (the rev counter is analog, the stuff to the sides is all digital), so it's definitely possible. Just not probable on a mass-produced car.

Personally, I could get my head around the digital display in the G87 M2, if only they made it work like traditional gauges. I think the digital rev counter moves right to left, instead of left to right. Just bizarre in my opinion, and seems like something they could have gotten "right" pretty easily.

[T_U_D]

Lengthy YouTube video of the Toronto Red G87 M2 at the BMW Welt in Munich. Edit: There is no crowd either so possibly filmed after closing?

[rwemersonrw]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

That Toronto red is really growing on me .

Agreed. I want to see it in person. The rear still is a little disturbing to me in photos but maybe in person it'll look better.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You might be surprised how much something like a tach, or door handles might matter - just ask the 992 crowd.

With that being said, I think Porsche did a good job of retaining some of the historical, analog aspects of older 911s in the 992 (the rev counter is analog, the stuff to the sides is all digital), so it's definitely possible. Just not probable on a mass-produced car.

Personally, I could get my head around the digital display in the G87 M2, if only they made it work like traditional gauges. I think the digital rev counter moves right to left, instead of left to right. Just bizarre in my opinion, and seems like something they could have gotten "right" pretty easily.

Absolutely agree. BMW should add an old style set of of UI appearance options, easy to do via an update, for those who miss their analog gauges. Even add one with the orange back-lighting. Seems like a great way to use the power of these screens and gain more mass acceptance.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Game

This thread is really making me want TR. Thanks for sharing.

I ordered a TR X4M in early 2021 before backing out and picking up an M5, but this was after waffling and then seeing it in person at my local dealership. It's crazy good imho, and it makes MP parts really pop. Highly recommended!

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This car isn't marketed at teens and twenty-somethings. Statistically, your average BMW buyer is in their early 40's. There's this forum belief that the buyers of the new(er) ///M's are all new buyers, but that's flawed reasoning. While there are always new people coming to, and leaving, the brand…..the core buyers of the new model(s) are already BMW owners. The new/next generation of buyers are mostly comprised of the current buyers whose tastes have changed/developed.

When we looked at the arrival of the G8X, those who hated it held the belief that the people who bought the car were new to the brand. While that was true in some cases, many E46/E9X/F8X owners jumped into the G8X. They weren't new buyers at all.

You think this M2 is marketes to people in their 40's? I'm thinking late 20's-30's.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

You think this M2 is marketes to people in their 40's? I'm thinking late 20's-30's.

The average twenty-something isn't buying a $70k+ sports car. I mentioned the average age of BMW buyer's because that's the reality. The car is marketed to someone who wants a high(er) end, mid-luxury sports coupe with a smaller footprint.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The average twenty-something isn't buying a $70k+ sports car. I mentioned the average age of BMW buyer's because that's the reality. The car is marketed to someone who wants a high(er) end, mid-luxury sports coupe with a smaller footprint.

Price seems targeted at people looking for 718 GTS alternatives. Don't underestimate the yuppies though.